Solving $(a+b+c)^2$ for Positive $a,b,c$

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In summary: Anyway, I still want to know your solution, Opalg, or any other member's solution to the given problem. I'm always intrigued by the many different ways math can be seen and solved. It's like seeing many different perspectives of the same thing. And it's so beautiful!I don't think I have a solution to this problem, but here are some ideas:1. I tried substituting $x = a+b+c$, $y = ab+bc+ca$, $z=abc$ into the given equations, which yields the equations $x^2 - 2y = 9$, $y^2 - 2xz = 16$, $z^2 - 2xy = 25$. I
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Given positive real values $a,\,b,\,c$ such that

$a^2+b^2+ab=9$

$b^2+c^2+bc=16$

$c^2+a^2+ca=25$

Evaluate $(a+b+c)^2$.

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anemone said:
Given positive real values $a,\,b,\,c$ such that

$a^2+b^2+ab=9\ \qquad (1)$

$b^2+c^2+bc=16\qquad(2)$

$c^2+a^2+ca=25\qquad(3)$

Evaluate $(a+b+c)^2$.
[sp]Let $\Sigma = a+b+c.$ Subtract (1) from (2): $c^2-a^2 + (c-a)b = 7,$ which can be written as $(c-a)\Sigma = 7.$ Thus $(c-a)^2 = \dfrac{49}{\Sigma^2}.$ Next, (3) can be written as $(c-a)^2 + 3ca = 25.$ Therefore $3ca = 25 - \dfrac{49}{\Sigma^2}.$

Applying the same tactics to the other pairs of variables, we get $3ab = 9 - \dfrac{81}{\Sigma^2}$ and $3bc = 16 - \dfrac{256}{\Sigma^2}.$

Next, add the three equations (1), (2), (3): $2(a^2+b^2+c^2) + ab + bc + ca = 50$, which can be written as $2\Sigma^2 - 3(ab+bc+ca) = 50.$ Subsitute the above expressions for $ca$, $ab$ and $bc$ to get $2\Sigma^2 - 50 + \dfrac{386}{\Sigma^2} = 50$, which reduces to $\Sigma^4 - 50 \Sigma^2 + 193 = 0.$ That quadratic equation has solutions $\Sigma^2 = 25 \pm 12\sqrt3.$ But $\Sigma^2 > (a+c)^2 > c^2+a^2 + ca = 25$, so $\Sigma^2$ cannot be equal to $25 - 12\sqrt3.$ Therefore $\Sigma^2 = 25 + 12\sqrt3.$[/sp]
 
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Well done, Opalg! And thanks for participating!:)

I've another good solution to share with the members at MHB:
Note that the system of equations can be transformed into$a^2+b^2-2ab\cos 120^{\circ}=9$

$b^2+c^2-2bc\cos 120^{\circ}=16$

$c^2+a^2-2ca\cos 120^{\circ}=25$

We can then transform the problem into one of a geometrical nature by constructing segments of length $a,\,b$ and $c$ inside a $3-4-5$ triangle as shown:

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Next, using the fact that the area of any triangle is $\dfrac{xy\sin Z}{2}$, we get that

$\dfrac{ab\sin 120^{\circ}}{2}+\dfrac{bc\sin 120^{\circ}}{2}+\dfrac{ca\sin 120^{\circ}}{2}=\dfrac{\sqrt{3}(ab+bc+ca)}{2(2)}=6$ and so $ab+bc+ca=8\sqrt{3}$.

Adding all three original equations together yields

$2(a^2+b^2+c^2)+ab+bc+ca=50$

Plugging the value of $ab+bc+ca$ in and simlyflying gives $a^2+b^2+c^2=25-4\sqrt{3}$, finally,

$(a+b+c)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+2(a+bc+ca)=25-4\sqrt{3}+2(8\sqrt{3})=25+12\sqrt{3}$.
 

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anemone said:
Well done, Opalg! And thanks for participating!:)

I've another good solution to share with the members at MHB:
Note that the system of equations can be transformed into$a^2+b^2-2ab\cos 120^{\circ}=9$

$b^2+c^2-2bc\cos 120^{\circ}=16$

$c^2+a^2-2ca\cos 120^{\circ}=25$

We can then transform the problem into one of a geometrical nature by constructing segments of length $a,\,b$ and $c$ inside a $3-4-5$ triangle as shown:

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/2861
Next, using the fact that the area of any triangle is $\dfrac{xy\sin Z}{2}$, we get that

$\dfrac{ab\sin 120^{\circ}}{2}+\dfrac{bc\sin 120^{\circ}}{2}+\dfrac{ca\sin 120^{\circ}}{2}=\dfrac{\sqrt{3}(ab+bc+ca)}{2(2)}=6$ and so $ab+bc+ca=8\sqrt{3}$.

Adding all three original equations together yields

$2(a^2+b^2+c^2)+ab+bc+ca=50$

Plugging the value of $ab+bc+ca$ in and simlyflying gives $a^2+b^2+c^2=25-4\sqrt{3}$, finally,

$(a+b+c)^2=a^2+b^2+c^2+2(a+bc+ca)=25-4\sqrt{3}+2(8\sqrt{3})=25+12\sqrt{3}$.
Very elegant solution! I suspected that the numbers 9, 16, 25 ought to have some significance in this problem, but I could not see how.
 
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Opalg said:
Very elegant solution! I suspected that the numbers 9, 16, 25 ought to have some significance in this problem, but I could not see how.

Thank you, Opalg for your compliment! I know I'm not the solver, but when you or any other members who liked my shared solutions (that are of others' production), I feel very delighted and happy! The number one and foremost reason that fuels my happiness is I love to be acknowledged by the fact that there are members who also liked and enjoyed that particular challenge problem as much as I did!:eek:
 

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