Normal Modes - 2 springs question

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem with conflicting solutions in a matrix multiplication, specifically in finding the ratio of X and Y. The conflicting solutions are (k/m)Y = (1-√5)(K/2m)X and (k/m)X = -(1+√5)(K/2m)Y. It is pointed out that these solutions can be simplified to match, and the conversation ends with the issue being resolved.
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When i do the matrix multiplication of the 2x2 and 2x1 matrix, I get 2 conflicting solutions that don't match at all! So which one do i take to find ratio of X and Y?

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Are you sure they don't match? What 2 conflicting solutions did you get for the ratio X/Y?
 
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TSny said:
Are you sure they don't match? What 2 conflicting solutions did you get for the ratio X/Y?

Well it's pretty obvious when it is expanded... the top entry gives something like:

(k/m)Y = (1-√5)(K/2m)X

while the bottom entry gives:

(k/m)X = -(1+√5)(K/2m)Y
 
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Did you notice that ##(\sqrt{5}-1)(\sqrt{5}+1)=4##?
 
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vela said:
Did you notice that ##(\sqrt{5}-1)(\sqrt{5}+1)=4##?

Oh I see it now, thank you!
 

Related to Normal Modes - 2 springs question

1. What are normal modes in the context of 2 springs?

Normal modes refer to the natural oscillations of a system, where each part of the system moves in a regular and predictable pattern. In the case of 2 springs, normal modes refer to the different ways in which the springs can vibrate when attached to a mass.

2. How do 2 springs interact in a normal mode?

In a normal mode, the two springs are connected to each other through a shared mass. As the mass moves, it exerts a force on each spring, causing them to stretch and compress in a synchronized manner. This results in a regular oscillation of the system.

3. What factors affect the normal modes of 2 springs?

The normal modes of 2 springs are affected by the stiffness of each spring, the mass of the object attached to them, and the length of each spring. These factors determine the frequency and amplitude of the oscillations in each normal mode.

4. How can we calculate the frequencies of the normal modes in 2 springs?

The frequencies of the normal modes can be calculated using the equation f = 1/2π√(k/m), where f is the frequency, k is the spring constant, and m is the mass attached to the springs. This equation can be used to find the frequencies of each normal mode in the system.

5. Can the normal modes of 2 springs be observed in real-world systems?

Yes, the normal modes of 2 springs can be observed in various real-world systems, such as pendulums, musical instruments, and buildings. These systems exhibit normal modes when they are disturbed from their equilibrium position and vibrate in a regular pattern.

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