Inertial Frame of Reference vs Spacetime

In summary: Light always travels in a straight line through spacetime, but the presence of massive objects can cause spacetime to curve, which causes the light to appear to bend. This is due to gravity, not inertia.
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Is the inertial frame of reference the same thing as space time?
 
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No. Reference frames are to spacetime as latitude and longitude line are to the surface of the earth: The surface of the Earth is there and we can move across it as we please; the latitude and longitude lines are just conventions for attaching numeric labels to points on that surface.
 
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No. Reference frames are to spacetime as latitude and longitude line are to the surface of the earth: The surface of the Earth is there and we can move across it as we please; the latitude and longitude lines are just conventions for attaching numeric labels to points on that surface.
If the term "reference frame" is dropped, is inertia the same as spacetime?
 
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If the term "reference frame" is dropped, is inertia the same as spacetime?

No. Inertia is something completely different - it refers to an object's tendency to keep moving in a straight line if you apply no external forces to it.
 
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Take a simple Euclidean plane. You can draw many coordinate systems on it - for example a Cartesian system with the origin at some point, a Cartesian system with the origin at some other point and rotated with respect to the first, or circular polars with the origin at yet a third point, and many more.

A reference frame is simply a coordinate system. Any one of the ones I listed above is a valid reference frame for a Euclidean plane (and there are many more that I did not list). An inertial reference frame is a particular class of coordinate systems for space time, as all the possible Cartesian systems on the plane are a class of coordinate systems. Inertial reference frames happen to be a natural way to label events in spacetime for observers who are not accelerating, and they happen to make maths with the coordinates relatively easy as well. That's all they are.

To put it another way, imagine a piece of paper. You can turn it into a piece of graph paper by printing a grid of some kind on it. Choosing a reference frame is like choosing which grid to print. Choosing an inertial reference frame is like choosing which Cartesian grid to print. Actually building a network of rods with clocks at each junction (as Einstein spoke about) is like printing the grid on the paper (you don't have to do this to use the coordinates). The paper is spacetime.

What spacetime "actually is" is a matter of philosophy at this point (it's probably not actually a piece of paper). I understand that a proper theory of quantum gravity might shed some light, but that's beyond my level of understanding.
 
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No. Inertia is something completely different - it refers to an object's tendency to keep moving in a straight line if you apply no external forces to it.

When star light bends around galaxy would it not be considered a change in inertia because the light is following the natural curve of space?
 
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When star light bends around galaxy would it not be considered a change in inertia because the light is following the natural curve of space?
No it would not be considered a change in inertia. A change in inertia would be if it were NOT following the natural "curve" of space time.
 
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Related to Inertial Frame of Reference vs Spacetime

What is an inertial frame of reference?

An inertial frame of reference is a coordinate system in which Newton's laws of motion hold true. In other words, an object at rest will remain at rest, and an object in motion will continue moving in a straight line at a constant speed, unless acted upon by an external force. This concept is essential in understanding the motion of objects in space.

What is spacetime?

Spacetime is a mathematical model that combines the three dimensions of space and the one dimension of time into a four-dimensional continuum. It is used to describe the physical universe and the relationship between space and time.

How are inertial frames of reference and spacetime related?

Inertial frames of reference are used to describe the motion of objects in space, while spacetime is used to describe the overall structure of the universe. In Einstein's theory of relativity, the laws of physics are the same in all inertial frames of reference, and the concept of spacetime is used to explain how gravity affects the motion of objects in these frames.

Can an object be in an inertial frame of reference and spacetime at the same time?

Yes, an object can be in an inertial frame of reference and spacetime at the same time. In fact, all objects in the universe exist within both an inertial frame of reference and spacetime. However, the motion of an object in an inertial frame of reference may be affected by the curvature of spacetime caused by gravity.

Why is the concept of inertial frames of reference and spacetime important in physics?

The concept of inertial frames of reference and spacetime is important in physics because it helps us understand the fundamental laws of motion and how gravity affects the motion of objects in the universe. It also plays a crucial role in modern theories such as relativity and quantum mechanics.

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