How Can You Solve This Complex Integral Equation Involving \(\phi(t)\)?

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In summary, the conversation discusses a real-world problem that involves a function and an integral equation. The participants suggest using a rule for parametric differentiation with varying limits and mention the calculus of variations as a potential approach. They also discuss the need for the function to be non-constant and the impact of this on the solution.
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Hi all,

Currently I am puzzling on a real-world problem, involving some maths which I cannot solve using my limited calculus knowledge. The problem ultimately boils down to finding an expression for the function [itex]\phi(t)[/itex] which satisfies the following equation for any x within limits [itex]0 < x < 1 - x_s[/itex]:

[itex]1 - x - x_{s} = \int_{x_s/\phi_{max}}^{1/\phi_{2} - 1/\phi_{1}\cdot x} \phi(t) dt[/itex]

Constants: [itex]x_{s}, \phi_{1}, \phi_{2}, \phi_{max}[/itex] with [itex]0 < x_s < 1[/itex] and [itex]0 < \phi_{1} < \phi_{2} < \phi_{max}[/itex].

Has anybody got a clue on how to do this? An general approach would be much appreciated! Just gessing functions and trying them out somehow doesn't feel very intelligent...

.edit: I'll put you as co-author ;)
 
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There seems to be something missing from your expression. There is no x in the integral expression on the right, so it won't depend on x, while the left side does.
 
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mathman said:
There seems to be something missing from your expression. There is no x in the integral expression on the right, so it won't depend on x, while the left side does.

Aah, I put it wrongly. Should be correct now!
 
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Suppose that a function Phi exists as a solution of the integral equation.
Then differentiate (relatively to x) the left and rigth terms of the equation. You obtain :
-1 = (-1/phi1)*Phi(t) where t=(1/phi2)-(x/phi1)
The left term is constant while the rigth term depends on x. This is impossible exept if the function Phi(t) is constant.
As we suppose Phi(t) is not constant, there is no function Phi(t) solution of the problem.
 
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Use the rule for parametric differentiation with varying limits:

[tex]
\frac{d}{d x} \int_{\varphi_{1}(x)}^{\varphi_{2}(x)}{F(x, t) \, dt} = \int_{\varphi_{1}(x)}^{\varphi_{2}(x)}{\frac{\partial F(x, t)}{\partial x} \, dt} + F(x, \varphi_{2}(x)) \varphi'_{2}(x) - F(x, \varphi_{1}(x)) \varphi'_{1}(x)
[/tex]

Hmmm, testing...
[tex]
\frac{\partial F(x, t)}{\partial x}
[/tex]
 
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JJacquelin said:
Suppose that a function Phi exists as a solution of the integral equation.
Then differentiate (relatively to x) the left and rigth terms of the equation. You obtain :
-1 = (-1/phi1)*Phi(t) where t=(1/phi2)-(x/phi1)
The left term is constant while the rigth term depends on x. This is impossible exept if the function Phi(t) is constant.
As we suppose Phi(t) is not constant, there is no function Phi(t) solution of the problem.
Is it that easy? Shame on me.. I will look into this tonight (I'm in the Netherlands) and come back to it!

Dickfore said:
Use the rule for parametric differentiation with varying limits:

[tex]
\frac{d}{d x} \int_{\varphi_{1}(x)}^{\varphi_{2}(x)}{F(x, t) \, dt} = \int_{\varphi_{1}(x)}^{\varphi_{2}(x)}{\frac{\partial F(x, t)}{\partial x} \, dt} + F(x, \varphi_{2}(x)) \varphi'_{2}(x) - F(x, \varphi_{1}(x)) \varphi'_{1}(x)
[/tex]

Hmmm, testing...
[tex]
\frac{\partial F(x, t)}{\partial x}
[/tex]

Thank you! More to study in the evening..
 
  • #7
What you are trying to do is handled by a branch of analysis known as the calculus of variations.
 

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