How Can You Determine the Radius of Curvature Without Knowing R?

In summary, for a triangle on a hyperbolic surface with known angles and edge length, the area can be calculated using the formula R^2 x(PI - a - b - c), where a, b, and c are the angles and R is the radius of curvature of the surface. Similarly, for a triangle on a spherical surface with unknown R, R can be calculated using the Gaussian curvature or the Gauss-Bonnet formula. These methods can also be applied to geodesic triangles to calculate their areas.
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skippy1729
Given a triangle on a hyperbolic surface with all angles and edge length known the area is given by R^2 x(PI - a - b - c), where a, b and c are the angles and R is the radius of curvature of the surface. What if you don't know R?

Same question for a triangle on a spherical surface where R is unknown.

Equivalent question: How do you measure R using LOCAL length and angle measurements? Assume that you know only that the surface has a constant curvature.

Thanks, Skippy
 
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How do you measure R

If I understand your question, you can find [tex]R=1/\sqrt{|K|}[/tex] by means of the Gaussian curvature [tex]K={\rm det}(II)/{\rm det}(I)[/tex], [tex]I[/tex] and [tex]II[/tex] being the first and second fundamental forms of the surface.

However, you can always invoke the Gauss-Bonnet formula:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Gauss-BonnetFormula.html


Especially if you restrict your study to geodesic triangles, you can derive the formulas for their areas.
 

Related to How Can You Determine the Radius of Curvature Without Knowing R?

1. What is the formula for finding the area of a hyperbolic triangle?

The formula for finding the area of a hyperbolic triangle is A = π(r^2 - ∑θi), where r is the hyperbolic radius and ∑θi is the sum of the interior angles of the triangle.

2. How is a hyperbolic triangle different from a Euclidean triangle?

A hyperbolic triangle is different from a Euclidean triangle in that it is defined on a hyperbolic plane, which has a constant negative curvature. This means that the sum of the angles in a hyperbolic triangle is always less than 180 degrees, and the sides of the triangle are curved instead of straight lines.

3. Can a hyperbolic triangle have a negative or zero area?

No, a hyperbolic triangle cannot have a negative or zero area. The formula for finding the area ensures that the value will always be positive, as the hyperbolic radius squared will always be larger than the sum of the interior angles.

4. How is the area of a hyperbolic triangle related to its side lengths?

The area of a hyperbolic triangle is not directly related to its side lengths. However, the hyperbolic radius and sum of interior angles are determined by the side lengths, so the area can be indirectly affected by them.

5. Can the area of a hyperbolic triangle be calculated using trigonometric functions?

Yes, the area of a hyperbolic triangle can be calculated using trigonometric functions. The formula involves the hyperbolic radius and sum of the interior angles, which can be found using trigonometric functions such as tangent and inverse cosine.

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