Find Serret-Frenet Triad for Curve y = f(x): Solve Diff. Eq. -U`(s)

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In summary, the conversation discusses finding the Serret-Frenet Triad for a curve on a plane, describing the vector force resultant and force acting in a bead, solving a differential equation to find the motion of a particle in a potential, and discussing the meaning of the grave accents in the notation.
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Homework Statement
Consider the motion of a particle in a potential: x`` = −U`(x). Can this equation also describe the arclength parameter of a bead sliding under gravity on an appropriately shaped wire? That is, find the curve y = V (x) such that the arc length parameter s of a bead sliding on this curve under
gravity (g = const. pointing down the y-axis) satisfies the same equation: s`` = −U`(s), and state under what conditions on U this is possible. Find V in the following two cases: (i) U = x^2/2 and (ii) U = −cos x.
Relevant Equations
Serret-Frenet Triad, F=ma
For the case first case U=x^2/2 :
1) Find the Serret-Frenet Triad for a any curve y = f(x):
For a curve on a plane, the Triad could be find in this way:
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2) The vector force resultant acting in the bead could be discribed in this way:
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3) The vector force acting in the bead could be discribed in this way:
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4) Multypling (3) with (1) and equalizing to (2):

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5) From the question, we know that (4) is equal to -U`(s), so solving the differential equation, we have:
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6) But the answer is a cycloid , so there is somethig wrong.
 
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Problem Statement: Consider the motion of a particle in a potential: x`` = −U`(x). Can this equation also
What do the grave accents (` ) mean in this x`` , `( notation?
 
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The derivative
 

Related to Find Serret-Frenet Triad for Curve y = f(x): Solve Diff. Eq. -U`(s)

1. What is the Serret-Frenet triad for a curve?

The Serret-Frenet triad is a set of three mutually orthogonal unit vectors that describe the orientation and curvature of a curve in three-dimensional space.

2. How is the Serret-Frenet triad calculated for a curve?

The Serret-Frenet triad can be calculated using the derivatives of the curve's position vector. Specifically, the unit tangent vector is found by taking the first derivative, the unit normal vector is found by taking the second derivative, and the binormal vector is found by taking the cross product of the unit tangent and unit normal vectors.

3. What is the purpose of finding the Serret-Frenet triad for a curve?

The Serret-Frenet triad provides valuable information about the curve, including its curvature and torsion, which are important in many applications such as engineering and physics. It also allows for the calculation of other important quantities, such as the arc length and curvature radius of the curve.

4. How do you solve a differential equation to find the Serret-Frenet triad for a curve?

The differential equation for finding the Serret-Frenet triad is -U`(s), where U is the unit tangent vector and s is the arc length. This equation can be solved using various methods, such as separation of variables or integrating factors.

5. Can the Serret-Frenet triad be used for any type of curve?

Yes, the Serret-Frenet triad can be used for any smooth curve in three-dimensional space, regardless of its shape or orientation. However, it is most commonly used for curves that are not planar, meaning they do not lie on a single plane.

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