Does Einstein implicitly proves himself and the Lorentz Transformation wrong?

In summary, the conversation discusses the assumptions made by Lorentz and Einstein in regards to movement along the x-axis and how it affects the y and z axes. There is a question raised about the directionality of time and its impact on calculating the speed of light. However, it is noted that this does not affect anything else in Special Relativity.
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An interesting question maybe, but only in so far as the equations: y' = y and z' = z are concerned.

In http://www.bartleby.com/173/11.html" Einstein demonstates that if x= ct then x' = ct' in which he is absolutely correct, but if one were to try and do the same for y' and z' the result could hardly be the same as he claims it would.

It seems to me that all Lorentz and Einstein have done is to ASSUME that as they are concerned only with movement along the x axis, the y and z axes would be unaffected.

Why should this be so?

For if it were then wouldn't time have to be diectional? So that it could be applied differently to calculate the speed of light, depending on whether the spatial element was contracted or not?

I don't believe that this point affects anything else in Special Relativity but it is a little puzzle to me.:whistle:

Grimble
 
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Grimble said:
It seems to me that all Lorentz and Einstein have done is to ASSUME that as they are concerned only with movement along the x axis, the y and z axes would be unaffected.
The orientation of your spatial axes is arbitrary. For linear movement you can always define them such that x is along the direction of movement. If you don't do so, then you need to use a more general form of the Lorentz transformation, that handles all dimensions.
 
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No, Einstein does not prove himself and the Lorentz Transformation wrong. In fact, his theory of Special Relativity builds upon and expands upon the work of Lorentz and others. The equations y' = y and z' = z are not meant to be taken literally, but rather as simplifications for the purpose of understanding the effects of motion on time and space. Einstein's theory is based on the principle of relativity, which states that the laws of physics should be the same for all observers in uniform motion. This includes the concept of time dilation and length contraction, which explain why the equations y' = y and z' = z are not affected by motion along the x-axis. The equations may seem counterintuitive, but they have been proven experimentally and are essential for our understanding of the universe. So, while Einstein may have challenged traditional ideas about time and space, he did not prove himself or Lorentz wrong. He simply provided a more comprehensive and accurate explanation.
 

Related to Does Einstein implicitly proves himself and the Lorentz Transformation wrong?

1. How did Einstein prove himself and the Lorentz Transformation wrong?

Einstein did not explicitly set out to prove himself or the Lorentz Transformation wrong. Instead, he sought to reconcile the inconsistencies between Newton's laws of motion and Maxwell's equations of electromagnetism. Through his theory of special relativity, Einstein showed that the laws of physics are the same for all observers in uniform motion and that the speed of light is constant regardless of the observer's frame of reference.

2. Did Einstein's theory of relativity invalidate the Lorentz Transformation?

No, Einstein's theory of relativity did not invalidate the Lorentz Transformation. In fact, the Lorentz Transformation is an essential component of special relativity. It describes how space and time coordinates transform between different frames of reference and is necessary to maintain the constancy of the speed of light in all frames of reference.

3. Can Einstein's theory of relativity be used to disprove the Lorentz Transformation?

No, Einstein's theory of relativity cannot be used to disprove the Lorentz Transformation. Special relativity is a well-established and extensively tested theory that is consistent with the Lorentz Transformation. Any discrepancies or contradictions between the two are likely due to misunderstandings or misinterpretations.

4. Are there any experiments that have shown the Lorentz Transformation to be incorrect?

No, there have been no experiments that have definitively shown the Lorentz Transformation to be incorrect. The predictions of special relativity, which incorporates the Lorentz Transformation, have been repeatedly confirmed by experiments and observations. However, there have been attempts to modify or extend the Lorentz Transformation in certain situations, such as in theories of quantum gravity.

5. Is it possible that Einstein made a mistake in his theory of special relativity?

It is highly unlikely that Einstein made a mistake in his theory of special relativity. His theory has been extensively studied, tested, and validated by numerous experiments and observations. It has also been successfully used to make accurate predictions in a wide range of phenomena. While there may be refinements or extensions to the theory in the future, it is considered to be a fundamental and robust framework for understanding the laws of physics.

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