Divergence in cylindrical/spherical coordinates

In summary: A_r is the gradient of HomeworkIn summary, the conversation is about deriving the divergence formula in spherical coordinates. The formula is derived by creating a small unit of spherical-like volume and finding its contribution to the 6 faces of the volume. When added together, it gives the divergence formula in spherical coordinates. The contribution from the +/- r faces is equal to the integral of the gradient of A_r times the volume element, which can also be written as the r-component of the divergence in spherical coordinates. The conversation ends with a suggestion to work backwards to find the partial of r^2A_r.
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Homework Statement



I'm just having trouble understanding a step in my notes from class.. We're talking about how to derive the divergence in other coordinate systems.

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So, we are deriving this divergence formula in spherical coordinates

[itex] \oint \vec{A}\cdot d\vec{A} = \int (∇ \cdot \vec{A}) dv[/itex]

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To do that, we create a small unit of spherical-like volume, and see it's contribution to [itex] \oint \vec{A}\cdot d\vec{A} [/itex]. We'll need to do this for all 6 faces of this small volume...and added together, it will give us the divergence formula in spherical coordinates.

So, for our small volume we use in spherical coords, we found that the contribution from the [itex] \pm \hat{r}[/itex] faces was [itex][\frac{\partial A_r}{\partial r} + \frac{2 A_r}{r_0}] r_0^2 sin(\theta_0) dr d\theta d\phi[/itex] ---> which is our [itex] \int (∇ \cdot \vec{A}) dv [/itex] for these 2 faces

Now when you look at the r-component of the divergence in spherical coordinates online, you'll see this written as
[itex] (∇ \cdot \vec{A})_\hat{r} = \frac{1}{r^2} \frac{\partial (r^2 A_r)}{\partial r}[/itex]

In my notes, we did write it this way in the next step, but I guess I missed why you could re-write it that way. I'm thinking it should be easy (since it's just one step to get there)
 
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Try working it backward ie take the partial of r^2A sub r and what do you get?

The r^2sin(theta)drdthetadphi is the dv piece
 
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Related to Divergence in cylindrical/spherical coordinates

1. What is divergence in cylindrical/spherical coordinates?

Divergence in cylindrical and spherical coordinates is a mathematical concept that measures the net flow of a vector field at a given point. It is a measure of how much a vector field spreads out or converges at a specific point.

2. What are the differences between divergence in cylindrical and spherical coordinates?

While both cylindrical and spherical coordinates measure divergence, they have different formulas and interpretations. In cylindrical coordinates, the divergence is calculated using the radial component and the axial component of the vector field. In spherical coordinates, the divergence is calculated using the radial, polar, and azimuthal components of the vector field.

3. How is divergence in cylindrical/spherical coordinates used in physics and engineering?

Divergence in cylindrical and spherical coordinates is used in various fields of science and engineering, such as fluid mechanics, electromagnetism, and heat transfer. It helps in understanding the flow of fluids, electric and magnetic fields, and heat transfer in different directions.

4. Can divergence in cylindrical/spherical coordinates be negative?

Yes, divergence in cylindrical and spherical coordinates can be negative. A negative divergence means that the vector field is converging at a particular point, while a positive divergence means that the vector field is spreading out.

5. How is divergence in cylindrical/spherical coordinates related to other mathematical concepts?

Divergence in cylindrical and spherical coordinates is related to other mathematical concepts such as gradient, curl, and Laplacian. The divergence of a vector field is equal to the dot product of the gradient and the vector field. It is also related to the curl through the Stokes' theorem and to the Laplacian through the Laplace operator.

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