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Robert Zaleski
George Patton's speech to Third Army, June 5, 1944 (Warning Language)
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If Patton really said any of this, he was a complete moron, an utterly retarded crapmonkey, and deserves to go down in history as one of the worst leaders ever. I pity any lackwit who thinks the man is in any way a good soldier.Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle.
Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight.
We have the finest food, the finest equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world.
My men don't dig foxholes. I don't want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive.
We're going to murder those lousy Hun cock suckers by the bushel-****ing-basket.
War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts.
Adam said:Hightlights...
If Patton really said any of this, he was a complete moron, an utterly retarded crapmonkey, and deserves to go down in history as one of the worst leaders ever. I pity any lackwit who thinks the man is in any way a good soldier.
GENIERE said:Phatmonky – If you spent your life inverted, your thought processes would be screwed up also.
GENIERE said:Phatmonky - Hmm! My comment was meant to be in full agreement with you.
Robert Zaleski said:Patton talked to his troops in the vernacular readily understood by the common soldier; earthy and to the point. His troops loved him for it.
No where have I found a general belief that the name blood and guts comes from the number of his own men who died.Adam said:Okay, for those who have no idea of history, the nickname "Blood & Guts" for Patton was more a play on words than anything else. It was mentioned in his speech. It was also a reference to the number of troops (including his own) who died because of his attitude that guts and glory was what a "real man" was all about.
Adam: if you're going to war you want all your generals to be Pattons. i was in an armor brigade and patton was something of a hero. he was a man for the time. if you're going to fight - FIGHT!Adam said:Hightlights...
If Patton really said any of this, he was a complete moron, an utterly retarded crapmonkey, and deserves to go down in history as one of the worst leaders ever. I pity any lackwit who thinks the man is in any way a good soldier.
I don't think the nickname came from this particular speech. It's actually thought that was a mistatement from a reporter and that in his speech given to officers of the 2nd armored divison, he origionally said "blood and brains" in regards to what was needed to have a successful armored division. However, when the story was picked up by a news reporter he reported the statement incorrectly as "blood & guts" and from there the nickname developed.Adam said:Okay, for those who have no idea of history, the nickname "Blood & Guts" for Patton was more a play on words than anything else. It was mentioned in his speech.
This is an absolute falsification. Patton was extremely concerned with reducing the casualities of his soldiers. As can be seen by the high kill ratios of his enemies as compared to the low death ratios of his own soldiers. If anything the nickname relates more to his "colorful language" then any callousness towards the wellbeing of his soldiers.It was also a reference to the number of troops (including his own) who died because of his attitude that guts and glory was what a "real man" was all about.
"An undisciplined army always has the greatest casualties. A general who disciplines his troops until he gets spontaneous, automatic reaction to his commands will have the lowest rate of casualties."
Robert Zaleski said:Patton talked to his troops in the vernacular readily understood by the common soldier; earthy and to the point. His troops loved him for it.
Are you referring to the times he got his arse kicked? Or the times he was shut away as an embarrassment to the military? Or the times he simply ordered a human wave, because "charge" was his favourite word, and he got many of his own people killed?phatmonky said:They loved him for it, and responded with some of the best soldiering the world had/has ever seen.
No. You are assuming.All of you who are TRYING to find a problem with Patton's speech continue to make the same mistake of thinking about his words outside of the context of war.
Training, discipline, and intelligence are required.His speech is spot on, and is the type of required dialogue needed to make a successful military in battle.
Why? For the losses? The wins? The times he was shut away for being an embarrassment? The people he ordered to charge, who died? Or simply for nostalgia, feelings for "the good old days" which were never as good as people assume, for a chap who wasn't what the publicity made him out to be?olde drunk said:Adam: if you're going to war you want all your generals to be Pattons.
If you're going to fight - think!i was in an armor brigade and patton was something of a hero. he was a man for the time. if you're going to fight - FIGHT!
As a former soldier, I expect soldiers to abide by the rules their nations have signed on to. I expect soldiers to never even put a finger on the trigger until the target is confirmed. I expect officers to maintain order. I expect humans to be humane, as much as possible. And I do not accept the excuses of weak-willed slugs who try to rationalise their crimes by saying "War is hell, accept it and move on".now, as a pacifist, i am amazed that so many people expect war - combat to be fought according to some sort of rules, ethics.
Politicians send soldiers to die.that's the joke. civilians are hiding their heads in the sand, sending men to die and they expect them to wait till the other guy draws his gun - BULL*$%#!
No, it came from the people who died due to his "Charge!" idea of tactics.kat said:I don't think the nickname came from this particular speech.
Hence his orders to charge forward, leaving behind their supplies?This is an absolute falsification. Patton was extremely concerned with reducing the casualities of his soldiers.
Adam said:I recall another leader from the time who was also a very charismatic and inspiring public speaker.
Adam said:No, it came from the people who died due to his "Charge!" idea of tactics.
jimmy p said:Well said.
The speeches were very probably very awe inspiring, but I don't like the fact that he is depicting the Germans as "fascists" and "Hun". Less than 10% of the population were Nazi's and wanted that regime, especially around 1944. In fact most of the German soldiers were fighting because they had to NOT because they believed what they were doing was right. Very hate-filling, but at the end of the day, it won battles.
phatmonky said:War is not the time to be Politically correct. If you are going to shoot at someone, then you have to hate them.
I don't see how you can not like it, when you understand the reason for it, and know that it was effective.
Adam said:Phatmonky, please just read SOMETHING about Patton. Anything.
Adam said:Odd that the two most sourceless and vehemently ignorant posters (one of whom admits to being unwilling to read links and long posts of information provided by others) would ask for such from others.
Yes, General Patton did use the phrase "blood and guts" in his speech to the Third Army on June 5, 1944. He famously said, "I don't want to get any messages saying, 'I am holding my position.' We are not holding a God-damned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and keep on advancing. We are going to go through the enemy like shit through a tinhorn."
Yes, General Patton's use of the phrase "blood and guts" was considered controversial at the time. While it was not uncommon for military leaders to use strong language to motivate their troops, some felt that Patton's words were too vulgar and could potentially damage morale. However, others saw it as a necessary means of inspiring and energizing the soldiers under his command.
Yes, General Patton's use of the phrase "blood and guts" in his June 5, 1944 speech became a famous quote and is often used to illustrate his aggressive and determined leadership style. It has been referenced in books, movies, and other media as a symbol of Patton's fierce determination to defeat the enemy.
No, "blood and guts" was not the only controversial language used in General Patton's speech to the Third Army. He also used other strong and profane language, such as referring to the enemy as "sons of bitches" and saying "the quicker we clean up this Goddamned mess, the quicker we can take a little jaunt against the purple pissing Japs and clean out their nest, too."
It is difficult to say whether General Patton's use of strong language had any direct impact on the outcome of the war. However, his aggressive leadership style and unwavering determination certainly played a significant role in the success of the Allied forces. Patton's troops were known for their tenacity and willingness to push through difficult situations, and his strong language may have helped to reinforce this mindset.