Derive Equation of motion using Lagrangian density?

In summary, the conversation is about verifying that a given function, phi(r,t), is a solution to an equation of motion. The suggested method is to substitute phi into both sides of the equation and show that they are equal. Alternatively, one can bring all the terms to one side and show that substituting phi results in zero. There is also a question about how to treat the term p.r while differentiating with respect to t, x, y, and z. The final question asks for the result of the dot product between p and r.
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I have done the first bit but don't know how to show that phi(r,t) is a solution to the equation of motion.
 
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Substitute the given ##\phi## into the left side of your equation; substitute the given ##\phi## into the right side of your equation. After doing this, show that left = right.

Equivalently, but perhaps a little cleaner: take all your terms to the left side; show that substituting ##\phi## into the left side gives zero.
 
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thanks, but how should I treat p.r term in the solution while differentiating with respect to (t,x,y,z)
 
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safekhan said:
thanks, but how should I treat p.r term in the solution while differentiating with respect to (t,x,y,z)

What does

$$\mathbf{p} \cdot \mathbf{r}=?$$
 
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To derive the equation of motion using Lagrangian density, we start by first defining the Lagrangian density, denoted by L, as the difference between the kinetic energy T and the potential energy V:

L = T - V

We then use the principle of least action, which states that the physical path taken by a system between two points in time is the one that minimizes the action integral:

S = ∫L dt

Using the Euler-Lagrange equation, we can obtain the equation of motion for a given system:

∂L/∂q - d/dt(∂L/∂(dq/dt)) = 0

where q represents the generalized coordinates of the system.

Substituting in our definition of the Lagrangian density, we get:

∂T/∂q - d/dt(∂T/∂(dq/dt)) - ∂V/∂q + d/dt(∂V/∂(dq/dt)) = 0

Simplifying, we get:

d/dt(∂T/∂(dq/dt)) - ∂T/∂q + ∂V/∂q = 0

This is the equation of motion for the system described by the Lagrangian density.

To show that phi(r,t) is a solution to this equation of motion, we can plug it into the equation and see if it satisfies the equation. In other words, we need to show that:

d/dt(∂T/∂(dphi(r,t)/dt)) - ∂T/∂phi(r,t) + ∂V/∂phi(r,t) = 0

To do this, we can use the definition of the kinetic energy T, which is given by:

T = (1/2)∂phi(r,t)/∂t * ∂phi(r,t)/∂t

Plugging this into the equation of motion, we get:

d/dt(∂T/∂(dphi(r,t)/dt)) - ∂T/∂phi(r,t) + ∂V/∂phi(r,t) = d/dt(∂phi(r,t)/∂t) - ∂V/∂phi(r,t) + ∂V/∂phi(r,t) = d/dt(
 

Related to Derive Equation of motion using Lagrangian density?

1. What is the Lagrangian density?

The Lagrangian density is a mathematical function that describes the dynamics of a system in terms of its position and velocity. It is derived from the Lagrangian, which is a function that represents the total kinetic and potential energy of a system.

2. How is the Lagrangian density used to derive equations of motion?

The Lagrangian density is used in the Euler-Lagrange equation, which is a mathematical formula that relates the Lagrangian density to the equations of motion of a system. By taking the functional derivative of the Lagrangian density and setting it equal to zero, we can obtain the equations of motion for the system.

3. What is the advantage of using Lagrangian density over other methods?

Using the Lagrangian density allows for a more elegant and systematic approach to deriving equations of motion. It also takes into account all the forces and constraints acting on a system, making it a more comprehensive method compared to other techniques like Newton's laws of motion.

4. Can the Lagrangian density be used for any type of system?

Yes, the Lagrangian density can be used for any type of system, whether it is classical mechanics, quantum mechanics, or even field theory. It is a general framework that can be applied to a wide range of physical systems.

5. Are there any limitations to using the Lagrangian density?

One limitation of the Lagrangian density is that it can be more complex and mathematically intensive compared to other methods of deriving equations of motion. It also requires a good understanding of mathematical concepts such as calculus, making it more challenging for some to grasp.

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