Confusion over line integrals, Green's Theoreom, Conservative fields

In summary: What is the definition of a 'smooth' curve?In summary, a smooth curve is a curve that is infinitely differentiable and has no sharp turns or corners.
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bugatti79
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Folks,

1) If we have [itex]\int F \cdot dr[/itex] that is independent of the path, does that mean that the integral will always be 0?

2) For 2 dimensional problems when we evaluate line integrals directly and use Greens Theorem for every piece wise smooth closed curves C, arent we always calculating the area of the curve regardless what the functions f(x,y) and g(x,y) are in

[itex]\int_C F \cdot dr = \int_C f(x,y) dx + g(x,y) dy[/itex]

3) What is the definition of a 'smooth' curve?
 
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bugatti79 said:
Folks,

1) If we have [itex]\int F \cdot dr[/itex] that is independent of the path, does that mean that the integral will always be 0?

No, but the path integral of a conservative field would always be 0 if the start and end points are the same.

bugatti79 said:
2) For 2 dimensional problems when we evaluate line integrals directly and use Greens Theorem for every piece wise smooth closed curves C, arent we always calculating the area of the curve regardless what the functions f(x,y) and g(x,y) are in

[itex]\int_C F \cdot dr = \int_C f(x,y) dx + g(x,y) dy[/itex]

Curves do not have area. The area enclosed by a curve C (let's call this region D) in ℝ2, [itex] \int_D da[/itex], is not what you would be calculating to use Green's Theorem.

Just like, in general a single integral is not equal to the length of the integration.

[itex]\int ^{b} _{a} dx [/itex] is not in general the same as [itex] \int ^{b} _{a} f(x) dx [/itex]
 
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Related to Confusion over line integrals, Green's Theoreom, Conservative fields

1. What is the difference between a line integral and a surface integral?

A line integral is used to calculate the total value of a function along a curve or path, while a surface integral is used to calculate the total value of a function over a two-dimensional surface. Line integrals are one-dimensional, while surface integrals are two-dimensional.

2. What is Green's Theorem and how is it used in vector calculus?

Green's Theorem is a fundamental theorem in vector calculus that relates a line integral to a double integral over a region in the plane. It states that the line integral of a two-dimensional vector field along a closed curve is equal to the double integral of the curl of the vector field over the region enclosed by the curve. This theorem is useful for simplifying calculations in conservative vector fields.

3. How do I know if a vector field is conservative?

A vector field is conservative if the work done by the field on a particle moving along a closed path is independent of the path taken. This can be determined by checking if the curl of the vector field is equal to zero, as stated by Green's Theorem.

4. Can Green's Theorem be used for non-conservative vector fields?

Yes, Green's Theorem can be used for non-conservative vector fields as long as the vector field is defined and continuous on the region enclosed by the curve. However, the result may not be as useful as for conservative vector fields.

5. How is Green's Theorem related to the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus?

The Fundamental Theorem of Calculus states that the integral of a function over a closed interval can be calculated using the antiderivative of the function evaluated at the endpoints of the interval. Green's Theorem can be seen as a two-dimensional version of this theorem, as it relates a line integral to a double integral over a region in the plane.

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