Apostol 4.12 #28 - Related Rates Problem

In summary: OK, I think I see what you're saying now. But I think you've got your "letters" out of order. You want to write6 = 2r + b, right?No, I want to write 6=2c+b. Here's what I have:We know that h=ar+b=2cr+b and that \frac{dh}{dr}=a and \frac{dh}{dt}=3c, so using the chain rule we have \frac{dh}{dr}\frac{dr}{dt}=\frac{dh}{dt} \implies a=2c as long as c\ne0.Then, using the given information that the height is
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process91
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Here is the question verbatim:

The radius of a right-circular cylinder increases at a constant rate. Its altitude is a linear function of the radius and increases three times as fast as the radius. When the radius is 1 foot, the altitude is 6 feet. When the radius is 6 feet, the volume is increasing at a rate of 1 cubic feet per second. When the radius is 36 feet, the volume is increasing at a rate of n cubic feet per second, where n is an integer. Compute n.I set the problem up as follows:
The radius of a right-circular cylinder increases at a constant rate. Then let r be the radius and t be the number of seconds. This implies that [itex]\frac{dr}{dt}=c[/itex] for some constant c.

Its altitude is a linear function of the radius Letting h be the altitude, we have h=ar+b for some constants a and b.
and increases three times as fast as the radius. Then [itex]\frac{dh}{dt}=3\frac{dr}{dt}=3c[/itex]. Also, we have [itex]\frac{dh}{dr}=a[/itex] and so by the chain rule, [itex]\frac{dh}{dr}\frac{dr}{dt}=\frac{dh}{dt} \implies a=2c[/itex] as long as [itex]c\ne0[/itex], which we will have shortly.

When the radius is 1 foot, the altitude is 6 feet. So [itex]6=2c+b[/itex].

When the radius is 6 feet, the volume is increasing at a rate of 1 cubic feet per second. Letting v be the volume, we have [itex]\frac{dv}{dt}=1[/itex]. This is how we know that [itex]c\ne0[/itex], since [itex]\frac{dv}{dt}=\frac{dv}{dr}\frac{dr}{dt}[/itex].

Now we work to find n. We have [itex]6=2c+b \implies b=6-2c \implies h=2cr+6-2c[/itex]. The volume of a right-circular cylinder is given by [itex]v = \pi r^2 h =\pi r^2 (2cr+6-2c) = 2c\pi r^3+(6-2c)\pi r^2[/itex] and so [itex]\frac{dv}{dr}=6c\pi r^2 + 2(6-2c)\pi r[/itex]. Using the chain rule, we have [itex]\frac{dv}{dt}=(6c\pi r^2 + 2(6-2c)\pi r)c[/itex] and when r=6, [itex]1=(6c\pi 6^2 + 2(6-2c)\pi 6)c[/itex] which, simplified, is [itex]1=192 \pi c^2+72 \pi c[/itex]. From this alone, we can see that whatever c is, it is a very complicated number because it must remove the values of pi in the equation. Solving this using the quadratic equation will give us two possible values:
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Using the positive one, since the radius is increasing, we should be able to compute [itex]\frac{dv}{dt}[/itex] directly, however for r=36 we don't get an integer.
Final Solution from WolframAlpha

The book's answer is 33. Where did I go wrong?
 
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Hi process91! :smile:

process91 said:
Here is the question verbatim:

The radius of a right-circular cylinder increases at a constant rate. Its altitude is a linear function of the radius and increases three times as fast as the radius. When the radius is 1 foot, the altitude is 6 feet. When the radius is 6 feet, the volume is increasing at a rate of 1 cubic feet per second. When the radius is 36 feet, the volume is increasing at a rate of n cubic feet per second, where n is an integer. Compute n.


I set the problem up as follows:
The radius of a right-circular cylinder increases at a constant rate. Then let r be the radius and t be the number of seconds. This implies that [itex]\frac{dr}{dt}=c[/itex] for some constant c.

Its altitude is a linear function of the radius Letting h be the altitude, we have h=ar+b for some constants a and b.
and increases three times as fast as the radius. Then [itex]\frac{dr}{dt}=3\frac{dr}{dt}=3c[/itex].

I don't see that. Doesn't the information give you that [itex]\frac{dh}{dt}=3c[/itex]?? You seem to say that [itex]\frac{dr}{dt}=3c[/itex] and I don't see why you would say that.
 
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Have a look at this line again (I corrected a typo):

process91 said:
and increases three times as fast as the radius. Then [itex]\frac{dh}{dt}=3\frac{dr}{dt}=3c[/itex]. Also, we have [itex]\frac{dh}{dr}=a[/itex] and so by the chain rule, [itex]\frac{dh}{dr}\frac{dr}{dt}=\frac{dh}{dt} \implies a=2c[/itex] as long as [itex]c\ne0[/itex], which we will have shortly.

Doesn't this imply ac = 3c ?
 
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dynamicsolo said:
Have a look at this line again (I corrected a typo):



Doesn't this imply ac = 3c ?

Yes, that was a typo. I've corrected it in the original problem.
 
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OK, that takes care of the typo, but your implication is still incorrect. Also,

process91 said:
When the radius is 1 foot, the altitude is 6 feet. So [itex]6=2c+b[/itex].

I think you want to write 6 = 3r + b here. This equation for the height involves r , not dr/dt .
 
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dynamicsolo said:
OK, that takes care of the typo, but your implication is still incorrect. Also,



I think you want to write 6 = 3r + b here. This equation for the height involves r , not dr/dt .

What part of the implication is incorrect? Just to make sure we're talking about the same spot, I have that
[itex]\frac{dh}{dr}=a[/itex] and [itex]\frac{dr}{dt}=c[/itex] and [itex]\frac{dh}{dt}=3c[/itex]. Using the chain rule, that implies that [itex]ac=3c[/itex] and, as long as [itex]c\ne0[/itex], [itex]a=2c[/itex].

For the part where I write [itex]6 = 2c + b[/itex], I am using the given statement that the height is 6 when the radius is 1 and the fact that [itex]h=ar+b=2cr+b[/itex] based on my above implication. Taking r=1 and h=6 yields [itex]6=2c+b[/itex].
 
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process91 said:
What part of the implication is incorrect? Just to make sure we're talking about the same spot, I have that
[itex]\frac{dh}{dr}=a[/itex] and [itex]\frac{dr}{dt}=c[/itex] and [itex]\frac{dh}{dt}=3c[/itex]. Using the chain rule, that implies that [itex]ac=3c[/itex] and, as long as [itex]c\ne0[/itex], [itex]a=2c[/itex].

Yes, but doesn't ac=3c imply that a=3??

For the part where I write [itex]6 = 2c + b[/itex], I am using the given statement that the height is 6 when the radius is 1 and the fact that [itex]h=ar+b=2cr+b[/itex] based on my above implication. Taking r=1 and h=6 yields [itex]6=2c+b[/itex].
 
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micromass said:
Yes, but doesn't ac=3c imply that a=3??

*blink, blink* Yes, it does. I must be tired or something. Thank you so much - I was tearing my hair out. Sometimes it's the little things.

Thanks to dynamicsolo as well, I see that you were also pointing to this flaw.
 
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Sleep deprivation (or fatigue) and mathematics don't mix...

By the way, you will never need to use dr/dt for anything -- it can be divided out when you compare dV/dt at r = 6 with dV/dt at r = 36 .
 
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