Differentiatial equation

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of multiplying a function and a derivative and whether it is equal to the derivative of that function. It is concluded that this is not true in general and is only valid if the function is a constant or not a function of the variable. The source of the conversation is from a paper discussing the harmonic oscillator.
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Does $$ ∅*(\frac{d}{dξ})=∅*(\frac{d1}{dξ}) $$?

If is true,
Does multiplying a function and a derivative equals to the derivative of that function? For e.g. $$ ∅*(\frac{d}{dξ})=\frac{d∅}{dξ} $$ where ∅ is a function of ξ

But isn't it supposed to be like this(based on the product rule), $$ ∅*(\frac{d}{dξ}) = ∅*(\frac{d1}{dξ}) = \frac{d}{dξ}*∅-1*\frac{d∅}{dξ} $$ ?

What if ∅ is a constant or is not a function of ξ?
 
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TimeRip496 said:
Does $$ ∅*(\frac{d}{dξ})=∅*(\frac{d1}{dξ}) $$?
Obviously no. Derivative symbol with nothing next to the right of it constitutes no meaningful quantities, no numerical value can be associated with it (if the variable is given a number), it's just an instruction to differentiate whatever stands on the right. If you put something to the right of a derivative (like you did in the RHS of that equation), you have given a numerical value to the entire expression.
Therefore
$$
∅*(\frac{d}{dξ})\neq \frac{d∅}{dξ}
$$
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
Obviously no. Derivative symbol with nothing next to the right of it constitutes no meaningful quantities, no numerical value can be associated with it (if the variable is given a number), it's just an instruction to differentiate whatever stands on the right. If you put something to the right of a derivative (like you did in the RHS of that equation), you have given a numerical value to the entire expression.
Therefore
$$
∅*(\frac{d}{dξ})\neq \frac{d∅}{dξ}
$$
Thanks!
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But then how do I get from equation (12) to equation (13)? The only way I can do it is when
$$
∅*(\frac{d}{dξ}) = \frac{d∅}{dξ}.
$$
 
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Where did you get source from? Is it the same source as the one with harmonic oscillator in another thread of yours?
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
Where did you get source from? Is it the same source as the one with harmonic oscillator in another thread of yours?
Yes.
Source: http://vixra.org/pdf/1307.0007v1.pdf
 
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I believe that's not the common and standard way to write the derivative of a function; in equation (12), ##\phi_0## should be on the right of the bracketed terms.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
I believe that's not the common and standard way to write the derivative of a function; in equation (12), ##\phi_0## should be on the right of the bracketed terms.
Ok thanks again for your help!
 

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